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Guest Post: Roles Reversed?

By Carmen D. on Tuesday, November 27th, 2007, 6:42 am Comments

Alan Schrager is a longtime reader who frequently comments on All About Race. So when he submitted this post, I thought it the perfect way to kick off a short All About Race series reflecting on how music and race intersect in America. Here is Alan’s post:

When I worked as a percussionist in the United States Air Force Band career field back in the 1980’s, I was surrounded by some really talented musicians who had some interesting things to say. I was stationed at two assignments, my first being at Scott Air Force Base in Southern Illinois near St. Louis, Missouri and the second one at March Air Force Base in Southern California outside Los Angeles. It is from the latter assignment I have to share a very funny conversation between a very young white jazz trumpeter from Port Charlotte, Florida who adored the music of Miles Davis, Chet Baker, Chick Corea, Oscar Peterson, …anything Jazz and another fellow who loved the classical music of Bach, Beethoven, Handel, Rossini, Verdi, anything Classical: he was a black oboist from Detroit, Michigan playing in the concert band.

The trumpet player’s name was Keith. He could pass as a carefree beatnik surfer dude, as much as the oboist Reginald came across as a goody two shoed airman ready to iron all his shirts, pants and underwear at a moments notice. Somehow Keith approached Reginald and asked: “You like Jazz?” and Reggie answered: “I guess.”

This must have piqued Keith’s curiosity to ask: “Do you know any Miles?”

Well I could tell from his question that Reggie was thinking this one through pretty well and said: “Who’s Miles?”

“OH MY GOD !YOU DON’T KNOW WHO MILES DAVIS IS!” “MAN ARE YOU SURE YOU’RE A BROTHER?” Reggie just stood there trying to figure out what just happened. At this point, Keith had turned really red.

I told Keith to chill, but then he said: “How can he be a brother and not know who Miles Davis is?!”

I had to say at that point: “Take a look at the instrument he plays, an oboe. His music veers toward classical so much of his exposure is to that world of music.”

Keith quickly responded: “Yeah, but Miles? Come on, everybody knows who Miles is!” Obviously Reggie didn’t.

Reggie was such a nice person. He and I had some really good conversations on the bus traveling on various tours. Keith was a really great cat and we had driven an equipment truck to Las Vegas once; that was a whole other story!

To break the silence Keith says: “Okay Reggie… I will ask if you know who Stevie Wonder is?”

Reggie without hesitation says: “No.”

“OH MY GOD, HE DOESN’T EVEN KNOW WHO STEVIE WONDER IS!” Then Keith says: “Unless you are from the North Pole you have to know who he is! So Reggie where are you from anyway?”

Reggie replies: “Detroit, Michigan”

Keith by now is so flabbergasted, he cannot believe what his ears heard as he starts to shake him at the shoulders to say: “Hey man, show me the Funk! You even come from where Motown was born. Don’t tell me you don’t know who Aretha Franklin is?!”

Reggie did recognize her name, but Keith still said real loud: “YOU ARE THE WHITEST BLACK DUDE IN THE UNIVERSE!”

By now I couldn’t help but laugh as Reggie is looking at me saying: “Guess I’ll be listening to some new music.”

Music is the universal language, but it is also as personal to the individual listening to it. Old stereotypes do not apply when it comes to the type an individual gets exposure to. The power of what any great piece of music does is to help inspire us to change things. Look at what Sting’s song “Russians” did to help move us toward a greater understanding between the US and USSR during the Cold War. Diversity in music, allows each of us to choose the type we need in nourishing our stranded souls. I suppose that is why they say music can move us.

  • fcg#p
    do the guys I play with know who they are? you bet your *** they do!
    the people we play for ... err ... um.. uh next question please.
    (pro blues players usually have a handle on a wide variety of stuff)
  • Alan
    Carole,

    I can agree in part with what you are saying, because the great string bassist Charles Mingus always considered himself a "Musician", not a "Jazz Musician". He felt the meaning of Jazz became synonymous with black culture and being African American, he curiously did not want to be associated with what he called n*gg*r music. I understand what he was getting at, I was just surprised by his choice of words.
  • You're probably right but there really is a lot of self-segregating that goes on with some folks. And maybe some black Classical musicians were so challenged as kids for liking classical music that they develop a kind of prejudice against studying jazz or "black" genres of music. Human nature is odd that way. I know one black girl who studied opera and was great at it. She prided herself --especially when she was around white folks-- on not knowing who the great black singers were. Come to think of it, she was a bit of a pill around white folks too.

    BTW, a post over at http://nnedi.blogspot.com/2007/11/am-i-sellout....

    kinda flips this a bit. -C
  • Alan
    Carole,

    Nice meeting you. In the world of musicians, we learn a great deal from various courses of study. We learn alot from eachother. Regardless of genre, there are basics in terms of "who's who" and Miles Davis is clearly one of those icons that is unmistakenly identifiable. The part that seemed most curious to my jazz friend was how our classical friend had no inkling(spelling?) as to who he was and what he represented to not only jazz, but African Americans. Miles said, he felt that in Europe he finally knew what it was to be treated like a MAN. The US club owners still wanted him and his musicians to enter through the back kitchen; this didn't happen over there.

    The other thing worth mentioning is that I am sure there are people who don't know the music of George and Ira Gershwin. The cause for this may be from generational reasons...but alas, it was their critically acclaimed "Porgy and Bess" that helped the European Americans understand the plight of their oppression.
  • I think it depends on how much into a thing a person is. I love music, really love music. So I pretty much know everything about the big guys in each genre. But I don't know everything about everyone in each genre. I'm kinda like a lover of top forty. I like top forty classical, top forty country, top forty rap, top forty death metal, etc. So it's understandable that if the guy didn't really love music in a really ultra deep way, he wouldn't know who some of the important figures are.

    Trust me, the flip side is someone looking at a black person and assuming we don't know who some rocker or opera singer or composer is. A look that says, "Oh, you probably DON'T know who Gershwin is, do you?" -C
  • Alan, thank YOU for taking time to share this story. It's a fun one and I hope you have others for us in the future. Thanks also for taking time to listen to the NPR segment. I appreciate your comments and your support. And...they've invited me back for December 26th.
  • Alan
    Andrew,

    Frankly, I don't think he hit his head, he just honestly was in a different "musical world". I personally also find it incredible to believe he really didn't know who Miles or Stevie were, but understood the world of music he knew.

    Go ask to see if any of your die hard rockers know who Gershwin or Armstrong are? See if they can name a few pieces they wrote while you're at it. You'll be amused at some of their responses.
  • Alan
    I wish to thank Carmen for taking the time to post this funny little story. I found that many people from different backgrounds from all parts of the country were able to work well together in the military. What I miss the most is the commeraderie; the ability to take any given task and make it into a shared opportunity. Musicians by nature admire the ability of other musicians regardless of color, ethnic origin, religon, etc., because it is the creative process that brings them together.

    Also congratulations to you Carmen on your recent NPR roundtable discussion. You of course sounded very poised and had very insightful comments. I hope they are smart enough to have you back again sometime soon!
  • fcg#p
    I dunno alan... white or black I dunno how anyone in the zipcode of earth could not know who the heck Miles was! Thats like asking
    who is Gershwin or Armstrong. did he get a bump on the head in basic
    training?
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