Comments on: Your ‘conspiracy theory’ is my blood and flesh http://www.allaboutrace.com/2008/04/15/your-conspiracy-theory-is-my-blood-and-flesh/ Fresh and fearless conversation about race in America. Sat, 20 Mar 2010 16:05:11 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9 hourly 1 By: The Everlasting Phelps » Blog Archive » The Real Issue with Wright http://www.allaboutrace.com/2008/04/15/your-conspiracy-theory-is-my-blood-and-flesh/comment-page-1/#comment-4957 The Everlasting Phelps » Blog Archive » The Real Issue with Wright Fri, 02 May 2008 02:53:48 +0000 http://www.allaboutrace.com/?p=415#comment-4957 [...] getting missed may have shown itself to me. I’ve referred to it, but I’ve only seen one afro-centric blogger even make reference to it. And it is something that, and I’m speaking from the heart here, black people — sends [...] [...] getting missed may have shown itself to me. I’ve referred to it, but I’ve only seen one afro-centric blogger even make reference to it. And it is something that, and I’m speaking from the heart here, black people — sends [...]

]]> By: All About Race » Blog Archive » Rev. Jeremiah Wright: My Thoughts http://www.allaboutrace.com/2008/04/15/your-conspiracy-theory-is-my-blood-and-flesh/comment-page-1/#comment-4943 All About Race » Blog Archive » Rev. Jeremiah Wright: My Thoughts Thu, 01 May 2008 17:13:41 +0000 http://www.allaboutrace.com/?p=415#comment-4943 [...] mike: If you look at the literature on the medical research... [...] [...] mike: If you look at the literature on the medical research… [...]

]]> By: mike http://www.allaboutrace.com/2008/04/15/your-conspiracy-theory-is-my-blood-and-flesh/comment-page-1/#comment-4922 mike Wed, 30 Apr 2008 21:25:11 +0000 http://www.allaboutrace.com/?p=415#comment-4922 If you look at the literature on the medical research conducted on prisoners, you'll find that those studies were incredibly segregated, with up to 80% of research subjects being African-American men. Now, African-Americans are disproportionately represented in the US prison system...but these studies did not proportionately use whites and blacks in these studies (it should have been about 60% white, 40% black if that were the case). A powerless study population with an unbalanced research cohort. If you look at the literature on the medical research conducted on prisoners, you’ll find that those studies were incredibly segregated, with up to 80% of research subjects being African-American men. Now, African-Americans are disproportionately represented in the US prison system…but these studies did not proportionately use whites and blacks in these studies (it should have been about 60% white, 40% black if that were the case). A powerless study population with an unbalanced research cohort.

]]> By: Carmen D. http://www.allaboutrace.com/2008/04/15/your-conspiracy-theory-is-my-blood-and-flesh/comment-page-1/#comment-4920 Carmen D. Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:37:37 +0000 http://www.allaboutrace.com/?p=415#comment-4920 Phelps, you and I will agree to disagree about this. I believe one factor was powerlessness and one factor was race. If not, why not use men from Appalachia as well? Why wasn't the study integrated? Phelps, you and I will agree to disagree about this. I believe one factor was powerlessness and one factor was race. If not, why not use men from Appalachia as well? Why wasn’t the study integrated?

]]> By: Phelps http://www.allaboutrace.com/2008/04/15/your-conspiracy-theory-is-my-blood-and-flesh/comment-page-1/#comment-4919 Phelps Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:24:25 +0000 http://www.allaboutrace.com/?p=415#comment-4919 I wonder about government intentions, but more often than not, sloth and stupidity are a better explanation than malice. Tuskegee and the eugenic sterilization happened to powerless victims. Black people are no longer powerless in America. It is like when they asked Willie Sutton why he robbed banks. "That's where the money is." Tuskegee happened to black men because they were powerless more than simply because they were black. I wonder about government intentions, but more often than not, sloth and stupidity are a better explanation than malice. Tuskegee and the eugenic sterilization happened to powerless victims. Black people are no longer powerless in America. It is like when they asked Willie Sutton why he robbed banks. “That’s where the money is.” Tuskegee happened to black men because they were powerless more than simply because they were black.

]]> By: Carmen D. http://www.allaboutrace.com/2008/04/15/your-conspiracy-theory-is-my-blood-and-flesh/comment-page-1/#comment-4918 Carmen D. Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:04:14 +0000 http://www.allaboutrace.com/?p=415#comment-4918 Hey Phelps, welcome to the conversation. As I have stated very clearly, although I do not believe the government created AIDS to perpetrate genocide, I do understand why many would so easily believe it to be true. And given Tuskegee, forced sterilization and other historic actualities that I reference in this post, some would say it would be naive not to wonder about government intentions from time to time. Hey Phelps, welcome to the conversation. As I have stated very clearly, although I do not believe the government created AIDS to perpetrate genocide, I do understand why many would so easily believe it to be true. And given Tuskegee, forced sterilization and other historic actualities that I reference in this post, some would say it would be naive not to wonder about government intentions from time to time.

]]> By: Phelps http://www.allaboutrace.com/2008/04/15/your-conspiracy-theory-is-my-blood-and-flesh/comment-page-1/#comment-4917 Phelps Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:56:35 +0000 http://www.allaboutrace.com/?p=415#comment-4917 This is the fundamental disconnect that I think this country is seeing highlighted right now. I agree that covert testing on foster children is horrible and stupid. The government does horrible and stupid things more often than not (which is why I am libertarian and want to get rid of as much of the government as possible.) But how do you make the leap from "the government tested drugs on black, latino and <i>white</i> foster children" to "the US created AIDS in an effort to exterminate black people as a race"? These really are night and day. In one case, you have stupid people doing something stupid that they at least <i>think</i> will help the people they are experimenting on. In the other, you have premeditated plan for genocide. The two are not comparable in most people's minds. This is the fundamental disconnect that I think this country is seeing highlighted right now. I agree that covert testing on foster children is horrible and stupid. The government does horrible and stupid things more often than not (which is why I am libertarian and want to get rid of as much of the government as possible.)

But how do you make the leap from “the government tested drugs on black, latino and white foster children” to “the US created AIDS in an effort to exterminate black people as a race”? These really are night and day. In one case, you have stupid people doing something stupid that they at least think will help the people they are experimenting on. In the other, you have premeditated plan for genocide. The two are not comparable in most people’s minds.

]]> By: Malicia http://www.allaboutrace.com/2008/04/15/your-conspiracy-theory-is-my-blood-and-flesh/comment-page-1/#comment-4593 Malicia Sat, 19 Apr 2008 12:24:06 +0000 http://www.allaboutrace.com/?p=415#comment-4593 I just came to this link from Nezua's blog. That is horrible :( Does anyone remember the story of two gay male nurses who's foster child had AIDS? They took such good care of him the AIDS wasn't even showing up in blood tests anymore, and so then suddenly the boy was adoptable. And I don't know how the story ended up but they tried to adopt him, and they weren't able to because they were gay. And I think they moved to Washington State, but because he was still technically from the foster care system in Florida (my home state, love/hate :( ) which prohibits gay people from adopting, they couldn't do it. I think first just one of them tried to adopt by himself, making no mention that he was gay, but there was actually a box for sexual orientation and he left it blank, so that was enough for themto say to a guy filing for adoption by himself "nope" My point of the story is good parents who make the effort to educate themselves about medical issues the best advocate for children with medical issues (I should know, I have Turners' syndrome and thank my lucky stars for my parents - and I was involved in a medical study for human growth hormone, so I can echo what Carmen's saying about the stages) and here's a case where the kid had one and the gvmt. took him away from the parents because they were gay. More to the post topic, kids can't make these kinda decisions on their own, they need an advocate, and the government wasn't being their advocate in this situation. Carmen's right, if they had parents who WERE, they wouldn't have signed their kids up for this, and the gvmt should've taken the care of them that others wouldn't rather than use them as lab rats. I just came to this link from Nezua’s blog. That is horrible :(

Does anyone remember the story of two gay male nurses who’s foster child had AIDS? They took such good care of him the AIDS wasn’t even showing up in blood tests anymore, and so then suddenly the boy was adoptable. And I don’t know how the story ended up but they tried to adopt him, and they weren’t able to because they were gay. And I think they moved to Washington State, but because he was still technically from the foster care system in Florida (my home state, love/hate :( ) which prohibits gay people from adopting, they couldn’t do it. I think first just one of them tried to adopt by himself, making no mention that he was gay, but there was actually a box for sexual orientation and he left it blank, so that was enough for themto say to a guy filing for adoption by himself “nope”

My point of the story is good parents who make the effort to educate themselves about medical issues the best advocate for children with medical issues (I should know, I have Turners’ syndrome and thank my lucky stars for my parents – and I was involved in a medical study for human growth hormone, so I can echo what Carmen’s saying about the stages) and here’s a case where the kid had one and the gvmt. took him away from the parents because they were gay. More to the post topic, kids can’t make these kinda decisions on their own, they need an advocate, and the government wasn’t being their advocate in this situation. Carmen’s right, if they had parents who WERE, they wouldn’t have signed their kids up for this, and the gvmt should’ve taken the care of them that others wouldn’t rather than use them as lab rats.

]]> By: Carmen D. http://www.allaboutrace.com/2008/04/15/your-conspiracy-theory-is-my-blood-and-flesh/comment-page-1/#comment-4530 Carmen D. Wed, 16 Apr 2008 12:58:59 +0000 http://www.allaboutrace.com/?p=415#comment-4530 Nez, yes horrifying is the right word. I think situations like this are too much for some people to handle because if they acknowledged the full depth and dimension of government supported abuse that goes on in this country, their world view would be changed. And for some that is simply out of the question. Jose, I believe these actions are criminal. Why is no one in jail? And what are they testing right now...and on whom? Hey Mike, welcome to the conversation. I want to read "Medical Apartheid." Thank you for telling us about it. Hi Macon D, welcome to the conversation. If America really wants a conversation about race and to remove our racial baggage from future generations, then let's start with a comprehensive and honest teaching of history. Your site is great. I hope you'll stay with it for a long time. Nez, yes horrifying is the right word. I think situations like this are too much for some people to handle because if they acknowledged the full depth and dimension of government supported abuse that goes on in this country, their world view would be changed. And for some that is simply out of the question.

Jose, I believe these actions are criminal. Why is no one in jail? And what are they testing right now…and on whom?

Hey Mike, welcome to the conversation. I want to read “Medical Apartheid.” Thank you for telling us about it.

Hi Macon D, welcome to the conversation. If America really wants a conversation about race and to remove our racial baggage from future generations, then let’s start with a comprehensive and honest teaching of history. Your site is great. I hope you’ll stay with it for a long time.

]]> By: Macon D http://www.allaboutrace.com/2008/04/15/your-conspiracy-theory-is-my-blood-and-flesh/comment-page-1/#comment-4525 Macon D Wed, 16 Apr 2008 05:14:43 +0000 http://www.allaboutrace.com/?p=415#comment-4525 (And thanks much for adding me to your blogroll! I'll reciprocate when I get a list added to my site--was already planning to, actually.) Macon D (And thanks much for adding me to your blogroll! I’ll reciprocate when I get a list added to my site–was already planning to, actually.)

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