There will be no real protest in Denver. Remember these are the same wackadoodles who predicted ten to thirty thousand at the DNC meeting to decide Florida and Michigan, and they got three hundred. There will be a handful of racist Harriet Christians in Denver. Most of the 18 million who voted for Clinton will vote for Obama. They preferred her as the candidate, but if they are Democrats and not Limbaughs operation chaos cross-overs, they will vote Democratic. Just think of this too, if Clinton really had 18 million hard-core voters, why don't they all send in a couple dollars a piece and pay off her debt? It's because they aren't hard-core, just a few internet loons are.

I gotta say, haven't we nominated a couple of real duds this year. Barack "it's not what I said then, it's what I say now" Obama and John "I'm not that old; I have a young wife" McCain.

Look for a Hilary primary challenge in 2012 if Obama wins.

conservatives will be right with you... myopic republican party goose steppers can go where ever the heck they want to just
as long as they aren't making important decisions that involve
a future that they have no stake in.

fcg#p, if that's true where will Conservatives go? I believe I will be independent for the rest of my life but I am not sure about that at all. I don't regret my 8 years in the Republican party, but right now I don't see any intersection. I had hopes for McCain and Obama, both are disappointing me at the speed of sound.

its in total disarray... I'm telling you folks
walk in on the republican party now and it's
yours! I am dead serious, and I have a privileged
vantage point! do it now! local level and its yours
start with congress... republican party is the france
of the political world right now... you can march right
in and take over without a fight!

Hey Carm,

I'm not sure if you noticed it, but Tim Wise wrote a great piece for Hill Spawn's supporters. If you haven't already, you should check it out.

One more thing, why would Obama have "set back" the state of race relations? I don't understand.

With all due respect RiverDaughter, as a black woman, I can say with all surety that NO you have NOT been in my world. I am gobsmacked that you would quote that drivel about black MEN getting the vote before white women. YOu and I both KNOW that blacks were lynched, dismembered and fire bombed when they attempted to exercise that right. And I hope you are paying attention to the WSJ's Douglas Blackmon's 'Slavery by Another Name.' As he proves, black men and women were sold to brutal labor camps in the "south until World War II. C'mon RiverDaughter, I've read your blog. You are smarter than to propose an "oppression olympics" between our constituencies.

Please re-read my post. No one is saying life is a "bed of roses" for anyone. Who even talks like that in the "economic tightening of 2008"?

For the record, I've never thought the Clintons were/are racists. Never. My posts are a consistent testament to that. However, I am SURE, the Clinton's played on the worst aspects of racial prejudice in an attempt to win the nomination for Hillary. That is WORSE as I see it. Also, I have always stated, unequivocally, that Obama is a talented politician. I still believe that although if he keeps putting up Presidential Seal arts and crafts I may have to cast my vote for Cynthia McKinney.

As I said, "I stand with you in your standing up." A lot of eyes are turned your way. Let's see what you create.

Welcome to your world??? We *been* in your world since time immemorial and were still in it long after you left it.
We didn't get the right to vote until 1920, decades after african-american men.
We were still considered chattel long after slaves were set free.
Even today, we *still* have problems renting apartments, getting promoted, getting proper recognition and respect.
For some reason, there is a misperception that women somehow haven't faced the same trials and tribulations as african-americans. This is simply false. As we have just seen, the media shies away from racism but sexism? It's like, "Hey, ladies, why are you mad? You have no reason to be mad. We were just kidding. God, don't you bitches have any sense of humor?"
It hasn't been a bed of roses for us and now we know that the party has no intention of paying any attention to our issues. They don't give a flying f^&* if the better qualified and stronger candidate was unselected in favor of a guy with no real job experience. The whole exercise of the primary season was a waste of time and energy. The deck was stacked. It wasn't just that Hillary lost, it's that 18 million of us were had. It was a DNC con game of national proportions. And we're going to do something about it.
But as for Obama? Last year when he announced, I thought he might be something special. I thought he was some kind of gifted politician. Now I realize he's just a ruthless man with average political skills and zero scruples. The minute his campaign started to attack the Clintons of racism, he lost me. That was below the belt and completely unnecessary. I'll never vote for him now and from what I can see, he has single handedly set back the state of race relations.

I kinda liked 1968 to tell you the truth, but I would have passed on the assassinations. I agree 100% with the need for some SERIOUS protesting. I'm amazed we don't have much more of that.
Now I know Nez worked on some demonstrating in NYC just a few years ago {he reminded me about what Bloomberg did to break that up} and maybe there is a clue there as to what happens.
From my very distant perspective, far away from the action, I think the controlling entities have kind of figured out the protest dynamic very well and now know how to deflect it. Of course there are some things that happen like the anarchists at the free trade talks and the Vieques/Navy confrontation and the immigrant demonstrations, so the tradition maybe just needs a little encouragement.