Comments on: Prop 8 wins – We all lose.

By: Carmen D.

Carmen D. — Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:23:52 +0000

Hello Sterling, welcome to the conversation. I leave your comment here even though it saddens and offends me. As a Muslim, you have watched “your” people be vilified by self described Christians since 9/11 and particularly in the last throes of this campaign. Many of those critics would say YOU and those who believe like YOU DO are “against God.” Further, Muslim women are often taunted when they walk around covered. Some of those same people say about your sisters and daughters, “Why don’t they just try to fit in??”

But beyond all that Sterling, we are a country whose founding fathers decided that separation of church and state was the foundation for this country.

Keep YOUR religion OUT of MY bedroom and MY life.

I happen to have been born straight and have been married to my husband for more than 8 years. I want everyone who wants to be married to be married. Not in a ‘civil union’ if that’s not how they want to be joined.

How can you stand with so many who believe that your faith is something abhorrent?

By: STERLING

STERLING — Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:13:28 +0000

IT WAS PASSED DONT EQUATE GAYS WITH THE BLACK CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT. AS A BLACKMAN I DONT HATE GAYS OR WHATEVER ,YOU ARE CALLING YOUR SELF. THAT LIFE STYLE IS AGAINST ALL OF THE GOOD BOOKS,BEING A MUSLIM IT IS A EVIL LIFE STYLE,BUT ITS BETWEEN YOU AND YOUR GOD. JUST STAY AWAY FROM KIDS AND YOUNG ADULTS AND KEEP TOO YOUR SELF………..

By: Carmen D.

Carmen D. — Sun, 09 Nov 2008 00:15:43 +0000

fcg#p, sigh. The Mormons are the primary funders of Prop 8, $77million+ dollars is the number reported. That’s why they are being singled out. Of course there was broad support, that’s the point of my post about not singling out black folks. Further, note only 5 million people voted on the measure period. That is telling in and of itself…more to come in post tomorrow or Monday.

And the get over it? I am not sure what you mean. I work for the betterment of my country no matter who is in the White House and will continue to do so. At least Palin today said, “God Bless Barack Obama.”

By: Karen

Karen — Sat, 08 Nov 2008 20:49:33 +0000

Like you Carmen, Tuesday’s election was bittersweet for me as well. As our country took one giant step forward, our state took several giant steps back. How could we care more about the rights of chickens (with the passing of Prop 2) than we do about people??!! As a biracial child growing up in the 60’s and 70’s in a very racially divided New Jersey (with family in the south to boot), churches used the bible to say that the mixing of races was against God’s will. This is simply more of the same. When I had nothing to hold on to I held on to my faith…and this has kept me away from my church for over a month. That breaks my heart. How can anyone enforce their beliefs and their morality on others?? I pray – to a God who I know that is ALL loving – that this state is able to figure out how to overcome this great injustice that has been launched against the gay men and women who should have every right as others do.

By: fcg#p

fcg#p — Sat, 08 Nov 2008 20:48:48 +0000

So, this is democracy, if a decision on the ballot goes down down in flames… to quote his eminence the Hon. Marion Barry, “Get over it!”
This election was an ill conceived, media orchestrated, bash Bush festival, (moot display of defiance for he is retiring anyway). This was not a green light for every leftist issue. The Mormons were not the only ones opposed to this. From what I understand the Black church community was also vocal in opposition to this issue.

By: More to Black

More to Black — Sat, 08 Nov 2008 15:38:20 +0000

It’s so surprising that this happened even in California. Wonder what will eventually come of this. There could be a pretty big backlash by conservatives if this is turned around.

By: n-2-me-i-c

n-2-me-i-c — Sat, 08 Nov 2008 15:20:06 +0000

Thanks Carmen. It’s good to know that I am not the only one with those feelings. I am looking forward to your post.

By: Carmen D.

Carmen D. — Sat, 08 Nov 2008 08:17:28 +0000

@ n-2-me-i-c, yes I feel the same way. I am getting angrier but I just want to move through that feeling and reconnect with my commitment to No on 8. The framers of the No on 8 campaign it seems were afraid to go into black neighborhoods and churches and talk about civil rights, and Loving and… I will post about it.

By: n-2-me-i-c

n-2-me-i-c — Sat, 08 Nov 2008 06:51:05 +0000

There APPEARS to be a gay tsunami building in the press and on blogs that is blaming blacks for the passage of Prop 8. So, whether I voted NO or Yes or didn’t vote at all, I’m guilty because I am black? This feels awfully familiar.

IMO, to claim that African-Americans are responsible and ungrateful because gays voted with Blacks to help elect Obama is quite outrageous. Obama’s election was not some quip pro quo. If that was their reason then it sounds to me like they held their noses and voted for Obama when they really wanted to vote for McCain and Palin. (I knew it wouldn’t take long for everyone to come back down to earth from that ‘Obama High’—didn’t take more than a day.)

By: Brief Episode

Brief Episode — Sat, 08 Nov 2008 00:04:50 +0000

I’ve been sort of obsessed with this since 2004. I’ve read all the Marriage cases briefs.

I’ve been very sad about this, actually. But hopeful.

The California Supreme Court was very forward thinking in 1948 with the Perez decision about interracial marriages (19+ years before the US Supreme Court with the Loving case!) and it upheld its leadership in this respect.

Even if Proposition 8 ultimately succeeds, the California decision strongly influenced the Connecticut Supreme Court’s recent decision.

Marriages start in Connecticut on November 12th!

Next week!